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Re: M5ScemiScritto daNon Autenticatoil 2016-01-05 14:30:04.0 alle 2016-01-05 14:30:04.0Scritto da: ::1
> Omissioni, aggiunte e traduzioni forzate: così Grillo strumentalizza il “Financial Times”
piccoli cambiamenti che non stravolgono il messaggio del financial times, e cioè che il M5S è da prendere seriamente
solo Grillo ci salverà dalla catastrofe Renzi-
Re: M5ScemiScritto da:
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> > Omissioni, aggiunte e traduzioni forzate: così Grillo strumentalizza il “Financial Times”
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> piccoli cambiamenti che non stravolgono il messaggio del financial times, e cioè che il M5S è da prendere seriamente
> solo Grillo ci salverà dalla catastrofe Renzi
Dire "Il movimento 5 stelle è maturato" e "Il movimento 5 stelle cerca di essere preso sul serio" sono la stessa cosa?Young professional woman and busy mom.-
Re: M5ScemiScritto daNon Autenticatoil 2016-01-05 14:40:00.0 alle 2016-01-05 14:40:00.0Scritto da: ::1
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> > > Omissioni, aggiunte e traduzioni forzate: così Grillo strumentalizza il “Financial Times”
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> > piccoli cambiamenti che non stravolgono il messaggio del financial times, e cioè che il M5S è da prendere seriamente
> > solo Grillo ci salverà dalla catastrofe Renzi
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> Dire "Il movimento 5 stelle è maturato" e "Il movimento 5 stelle cerca di essere preso sul serio" sono la stessa cosa?
"Italy’s Five star Movement comes of Age"-
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> > > > Omissioni, aggiunte e traduzioni forzate: così Grillo strumentalizza il “Financial Times”
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> > > piccoli cambiamenti che non stravolgono il messaggio del financial times, e cioè che il M5S è da prendere seriamente
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> > Dire "Il movimento 5 stelle è maturato" e "Il movimento 5 stelle cerca di essere preso sul serio" sono la stessa cosa?
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> "Italy’s Five star Movement comes of Age"
"Italy’s Five Star Movement wants to be taken seriously"
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Re: M5ScemiScritto daAlessandrox(XYZ)Trollil 2016-01-05 15:55:16.0 alle 2016-01-05 15:55:16.0Trollate totali: 11553In questo caso le critiche sono pienamente giustificate, "come of age" non è scritto da nessuna parte nell' articolo originale
Tuttavia anche la Stampa si piglia une bella cantonata quando afferma che l' aggettivo populista è inteso con accezione negativa....https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Populism

Assolutamente non c' entra una fava
loro avrebbero detto demagogico
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Re: M5ScemiScritto daNon Autenticatoil 2016-01-05 14:41:40.0 alle 2016-01-05 14:41:40.0Scritto da: ::1
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> > > Omissioni, aggiunte e traduzioni forzate: così Grillo strumentalizza il “Financial Times”
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> > piccoli cambiamenti che non stravolgono il messaggio del financial times, e cioè che il M5S è da prendere seriamente
> > solo Grillo ci salverà dalla catastrofe Renzi
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> Dire "Il movimento 5 stelle è maturato" e "Il movimento 5 stelle cerca di essere preso sul serio" sono la stessa cosa?
Fossero quelle le cazzate peggiori che peppekrillo scrive sul blog da sempre..
Basta sentire parlare casaggeggio per comprendere il potere oratorio infimo del duo, altro che articoletti sparamerda de la stampa.
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Re: M5ScemiScritto daSAMURAIL'Ostinatoil 2016-01-06 12:19:09.0 alle 2016-01-06 12:19:09.0Trollate totali: 6492Fossero quelle le cazzate peggiori che peppekrillo scrive sul blog da sempre.. Rotola dal ridere Basta sentire parlare casaggeggio per comprendere il potere oratorio infimo del duo, altro che articoletti sparamerda de la stampa.
In compenso mi metto a piangere quando sento le stronzate che dicono i vari Renzi, Berlusca, Salvini e Co. Loro si che dicono cose serie.....
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Re: M5ScemiScritto daNon Autenticatoil 2016-01-06 15:42:10.0 alle 2016-01-06 15:42:10.0Scritto da: SAMURAI
> Fossero quelle le cazzate peggiori che peppekrillo scrive sul blog da sempre.. Rotola dal ridere Basta sentire parlare casaggeggio per comprendere il potere oratorio infimo del duo, altro che articoletti sparamerda de la stampa.
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> In compenso mi metto a piangere quando sento le stronzate che dicono i vari Renzi, Berlusca, Salvini e Co. Loro si che dicono cose serie.....
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Re: M5ScemiScritto daSAMURAIL'Ostinatoil 2016-01-06 16:25:22.0 alle 2016-01-06 16:25:22.0Trollate totali: 6492Sono stronzate serie..Ci mancherebbe.
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Re: M5Scemihttp://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/45c62a88-99d9-11e5-...

Italy’s Five Star Movement wants to be taken seriously
Protest group has come a long way since its eccentric start and is now the country’s second party
When the populist Five Star Movement burst into Italian politics in 2009 during the financial crisis, it was defined by uncompromising protests and the burly, sardonic figure of its leader, the comedian Beppe Grillo.
But the Five Star Movement is now attempting to change its face from that of one of Europe’s most eccentric — even clownish — political parties. The transformation aims to achieve what seemed like a fantasy only a year ago: to govern the country and challenge the centre-left government led by prime minister Matteo Renzi.
Mr Grillo, 67, has removed his name from the party logo, signalling that he may soon step aside. His most likely heir is Luigi Di Maio, a 29-year-old smooth-talking Neapolitan with polished looks, tight-fitting dark suits and moderate tones.
“The perception of the movement has changed,” Mr Di Maio tells the Financial Times. “At the beginning there was the idea that this was a protest movement . . . But we crashed through that wall. We want to govern.”
The odds of that happening are increasing. The Five Star Movement is now Italy’s second party. After trailing Mr Renzi’s Democratic party by nearly 20 percentage points a year ago, recent polls suggest the margin has shrunk to about 5 percentage points — 32 per cent to 27 per cent.
“The Five Star Movement is certainly in the best shape of all of Renzi’s challengers, and he is scared of them,” says Gianfranco Pasquino, a professor of political science at SAIS-Europe in Bologna.
That the Five Star Movement even has a shot at threatening Mr Renzi says much about the waning political momentum suffered by the 40-year former mayor of Florence, who took office in February 2014 amid high hopes that he could transform Italy.
The economy is growing again after years of stagnation and recession. But the gains have not been broadly felt. “People are discouraged, disappointed and still angry,” Roberto D’Alimonte, a political-science professor at Luiss university in Rome, says. “The recovery has not filtered down.”
Mr Di Maio has certainly been honing his message against the prime minister. “Renzi seemed like a new face but it didn’t take much to understand that he was moving in the direction of the same old way of governing this country,” he says.
But convincing Italians that the Five Star Movement is a credible alternative remains a tall order since many still see it as a party of pure obstruction and opposition. Mr Grillo's best known political slogan when he launched the movement was “vaffanculo” — an earthy expletive aimed at the establishment. And he has refused to consider being part of any coalition government.
Gradually, however, the Five Star Movement has won a few municipal races — clinching control of small cities such as Parma, Livorno and Ragusa. The results have been mixed. The mayor of Livorno, for example, has faced harsh criticism after a scandal over uncollected rubbish broke out in the Tuscan port city.
“Their vagueness, their incompetence and their inappropriateness are visible to everyone,” says Alessia Rotta, a Democratic party lawmaker close to Mr Renzi.
A bigger test of the Five Star Movement’s strength is to come next year, when local elections will be held in some of Italy’s largest cities. The big prize is Rome, the scandal-ridden capital where Five Star has been riding high in the polls after the resignation of Democratic party mayor Ignazio Marino in October.
“The other parties are scared of governing Rome, but we believe it’s an opportunity to measure ourselves,” says Mr Di Maio, the son of a real estate entrepreneur and a high school teacher who grew up in Pomigliano d'Arco, a city in the shadow of Mt Vesuvius most famous for being a big manufacturing hub for Fiat. He studied law and opened a marketing business before entering politics.
The Five Star Movement’s platform has been based on a few key pillars that have drawn supporters from both the right and the left: opposition to corruption, environmentalism, and a referendum on euro membership, which Mr Di Maio blames for many of Italy’s economic woes.
“The real failure of monetary union is to think that countries in the south should travel at the same speed as the ones in the north,” he says.
Lately, his party has been lashing out at Italy’s rescue of four small banks, which wiped out thousands of retail investors holding junior debt .
“Their goal was to save the bankers, not the citizens,” Mr Di Maio wrote on his Facebook page last week. There are some signs he has tried to moderate Mr Grillo’s sharper edges. Mr Di Maio recently helped broker a deal with Mr Renzi’s PD for the appointment of three constitutional judges. And after the Paris terror attacks, for example, he denied support for withdrawing Italy from Nato — an idea advocated by Mr Grillo.
“This is not in question,” he says. Instead of bombing, he says the west needs more “human intelligence” and has to quash Isis’s financing sources in the Gulf. “It’s true that Isis is terrorising us, but it has 80,000 people on its side, which is a neighbourhood of Naples,” Mr Di Maio says. “Strong measures to undermine their finances would deflate them like a balloon,” he adds.
And he is keen to distance himself from another populist party shaking Europe’s establishment, France’s far-right National Front. Its rise reflects a “climate of general indignation”, says Mr Di Maio. Yet the Five Star Movement, he insists, is not a populist toxin but its antidote: “We’re the natural spokesman of citizens. We are a barrier against hatred and extremism”.
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Re: M5ScemiCVD, Grillo rulez
`"la realta' non e' cosi' terrificante come vogliono farti credere" - Giambo ` - Wakko che cita Giambo-
Re: M5ScemiScritto da: Giambo
> CVD, Grillo rulez
Occazzo, mi sono dimenticato di postare da ANOnimo, ora la Suora scoprira' che sono stato io a trollarla
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`"la realta' non e' cosi' terrificante come vogliono farti credere" - Giambo ` - Wakko che cita Giambo-
Re: M5ScemiScritto daNon Autenticatoil 2016-01-05 17:10:36.0 alle 2016-01-05 17:10:36.0Scritto da: Giambo
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> > CVD, Grillo rulez
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> Occazzo, mi sono dimenticato di postare da ANOnimo, ora la Suora scoprira' che sono stato io a trollarla
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ma dai sei peggio del NeroRETURN OF A LEGEND
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Re: M5ScemiScritto daavvelentaniCubicolarioil 2016-01-05 17:14:29.0 alle 2016-01-05 17:14:29.0Trollate totali: 18184Scritto da:
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>RETURN OF A LEGEND
RETURN OF A LEGEND e` vecchio di 10 anni.I think happiness is love
- Vladimir Putin-
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> RETURN OF A LEGEND e` vecchio di 10 anni.
Io volevo leggere il messaggio originale su PI, ma e' rotto
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`"la realta' non e' cosi' terrificante come vogliono farti credere" - Giambo ` - Wakko che cita Giambo
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Re: M5ScemiScritto daNon Autenticatoil 2016-01-05 17:42:13.0 alle 2016-01-05 17:42:13.0Scritto da: avvelentani
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> RETURN OF A LEGEND e` vecchio di 10 anni.
L'avevo sgamato io il Nero
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Re: M5ScemiScritto daNon Autenticatoil 2016-01-05 18:19:16.0 alle 2016-01-05 18:19:16.0Scritto da:
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Ai cicazzi fa male lodarsi.
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Re: M5ScemiScritto daNon Autenticatoil 2016-01-05 20:02:12.0 alle 2016-01-05 20:02:12.0Scritto da: dada216
> http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/45c62a88-99d9-11e5-...
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> Italy’s Five Star Movement wants to be taken seriously
> Protest group has come a long way since its eccentric start and is now the country’s second party
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> When the populist
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Re: M5ScemiScritto daNon Autenticatoil 2016-01-05 22:27:19.0 alle 2016-01-05 22:27:19.0Scritto da: dada216
> http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/45c62a88-99d9-11e5-...
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> Italy’s Five Star Movement wants to be taken seriously
> Protest group
Non è un "protest group", è stato fin dalla sua costituzione un movimento politico.
> has come a long way since its eccentric start and is now the country’s second party
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> When the populist
populist - vedi sotto: another
> Five Star Movement burst into Italian politics in 2009 during the financial crisis, it was defined by uncompromising protests and the burly, sardonic figure of its leader, the comedian Beppe Grillo.
burly, sardonic figure: sembra vagamente un attacco ad hominem?
> But the Five Star Movement is now attempting to change its face from that of one of Europe’s most eccentric — even clownish —
Questo è il tuo cazzo di giudizio, caro Financial Times: a me è parso subito invece piutosto serio, con un preciso programma contro coloro che sono i tuoi lettori, e la forma mentis economicista che li accomuna, l'abitudine a metterlo in culo agli altri. Non sarà mica per questo che cerchi di ridicolizzarli con aria superiore?
> political parties. The transformation aims to achieve what seemed like a fantasy only a year ago: to govern the country and challenge the centre-left government led by prime minister Matteo Renzi.
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> Mr Grillo, 67, has removed his name from the party logo, signalling that he may soon step aside. His most likely heir is Luigi Di Maio, a 29-year-old smooth-talking Neapolitan with polished looks, tight-fitting dark suits and moderate tones.
Di Maio mi convince poco, quel che dice non tocca le mie corde, ma in due parole il Financial Times ne fa già una macchietta.
> “The perception of the movement has changed,” Mr Di Maio tells the Financial Times. “At the beginning there was the idea that this was a protest movement . . . But we crashed through that wall. We want to govern.”
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> The odds of that happening are increasing. The Five Star Movement is now Italy’s second party. After trailing Mr Renzi’s Democratic party by nearly 20 percentage points a year ago, recent polls suggest the margin has shrunk to about 5 percentage points — 32 per cent to 27 per cent.
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> “The Five Star Movement is certainly in the best shape of all of Renzi’s challengers, and he is scared of them,” says Gianfranco Pasquino, a professor of political science at SAIS-Europe in Bologna.
Il linguaggio delle analisi politiche della stampa anglosassone mi pare un po' rudimentale.
> That the Five Star Movement even has a shot at threatening Mr Renzi says much about the waning political momentum suffered by the 40-year former mayor of Florence, who took office in February 2014 amid high hopes that he could transform Italy.
Più hype che hopes.
> The economy is growing again after years of stagnation and recession. But the gains have not been broadly felt. “People are discouraged, disappointed and still angry,” Roberto D’Alimonte, a political-science professor at Luiss university in Rome, says. “The recovery has not filtered down.”
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> Mr Di Maio has certainly been honing his message against the prime minister. “Renzi seemed like a new face but it didn’t take much to understand that he was moving in the direction of the same old way of governing this country,” he says.
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> But convincing Italians that the Five Star Movement is a credible alternative remains a tall order since many still see it as a party of pure obstruction and opposition. Mr Grillo's best known political slogan when he launched the movement was “vaffanculo” — an earthy expletive aimed at the establishment. And he has refused to consider being part of any coalition government.
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> Gradually, however, the Five Star Movement has won a few municipal races — clinching control of small cities such as Parma, Livorno and Ragusa. The results have been mixed. The mayor of Livorno, for example, has faced harsh criticism after a scandal over uncollected rubbish broke out in the Tuscan port city.
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> “Their vagueness, their incompetence and their inappropriateness are visible to everyone,” says Alessia Rotta, a Democratic party lawmaker close to Mr Renzi.
Come mi piace questo modo così indipendente e anglosassone di portarti verso una tesi a colpetti, uno al cerchio e una alla botte, apparentemente imparziale.
> A bigger test of the Five Star Movement’s strength is to come next year, when local elections will be held in some of Italy’s largest cities. The big prize is Rome, the scandal-ridden capital where Five Star has been riding high in the polls after the resignation of Democratic party mayor Ignazio Marino in October.
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> “The other parties are scared of governing Rome, but we believe it’s an opportunity to measure ourselves,” says Mr Di Maio, the son of a real estate entrepreneur and a high school teacher who grew up in Pomigliano d'Arco, a city in the shadow of Mt Vesuvius most famous for being a big manufacturing hub for Fiat. He studied law and opened a marketing business before entering politics.
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> The Five Star Movement’s platform has been based on a few key pillars that have drawn supporters from both the right and the left: opposition to corruption, environmentalism, and a referendum on euro membership, which Mr Di Maio blames for many of Italy’s economic woes.
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> “The real failure of monetary union is to think that countries in the south should travel at the same speed as the ones in the north,” he says.
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> Lately, his party has been lashing out at Italy’s rescue of four small banks, which wiped out thousands of retail investors holding junior debt .
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> “Their goal was to save the bankers, not the citizens,” Mr Di Maio wrote on his Facebook page last week. There are some signs he has tried to moderate Mr Grillo’s sharper edges. Mr Di Maio recently helped broker a deal with Mr Renzi’s PD for the appointment of three constitutional judges. And after the Paris terror attacks, for example, he denied support for withdrawing Italy from Nato — an idea advocated by Mr Grillo.
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> “This is not in question,” he says. Instead of bombing, he says the west needs more “human intelligence” and has to quash Isis’s financing sources in the Gulf. “It’s true that Isis is terrorising us, but it has 80,000 people on its side, which is a neighbourhood of Naples,” Mr Di Maio says. “Strong measures to undermine their finances would deflate them like a balloon,” he adds.
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> And he is keen to distance himself from another populist party
another - vedi sopra: populist
> shaking Europe’s establishment, France’s far-right National Front. Its rise reflects a “climate of general indignation”, says Mr Di Maio. Yet the Five Star Movement, he insists, is not a populist toxin but its antidote: “We’re the natural spokesman of citizens. We are a barrier against hatred and extremism”.
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> High quality global journalism requires investment.
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Re: M5ScemiScritto daavvelenatoun mezzo cavalloil 2016-01-05 20:43:21.0 alle 2016-01-05 20:43:21.0Trollate totali: 14239Scritto da: ::1
> Omissioni, aggiunte e traduzioni forzate: così Grillo strumentalizza il “Financial Times”
Comunque siamo arrivati a un tale punto di autoreferenzialità giornalistica che non vedo l'ora che esca il prossimo numero del FT che racconti di come alcuni giornalisti italiani abbiano scritto un articolo traducendo malamente un articolo del FT.
Giornalistinception.I pedoni possono muoversi solo in avanti.
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Re: M5ScemiScritto daNon Autenticatoil 2016-01-05 22:04:38.0 alle 2016-01-05 22:04:38.0Scritto da: ::1
> Omissioni, aggiunte e traduzioni forzate: così Grillo strumentalizza il “Financial Times”
La Stampa è contro i 5 stelle. Giornale che non sopporto, dunque un motivo in più per votarli.-
Re: M5ScemiScritto daNon Autenticatoil 2016-01-05 22:29:04.0 alle 2016-01-05 22:29:04.0Scritto da:
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> > Omissioni, aggiunte e traduzioni forzate: così Grillo strumentalizza il “Financial Times”
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> La Stampa è contro i 5 stelle. Giornale che non sopporto, dunque un motivo in più per votarli.
Ci credo, hanno detto che tolgono i contributi statali all'editoria
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Re: M5ScemiScritto daNon Autenticatoil 2016-01-05 22:55:17.0 alle 2016-01-05 22:55:17.0Scritto da:
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> Ci credo, hanno detto che tolgono i contributi statali all'editoria
Bene, io non sono un editore!
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Re: M5ScemiScritto daNon Autenticatoil 2016-01-05 23:23:42.0 alle 2016-01-05 23:23:42.0Scritto da:
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> Bene, io non sono un editore!
sei un grullino e ::1 ti bannerà
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